Has anyone made the decision to NOT take a blocker drug such as femara?
I am 63 years old and have recently had a lumpectomy (1cm Grade 3) and central lymph node removal (Lymph node was clear) and am scheduled for radiotherapy treatment in the next few weeks.
My onclogyst prescribed Femara which I started taking but within a few days am having hot flushes and have a terrible itchy rash on my arms and genital area.
I have now stopped taking the drug and, given the terrible side effects that are described everywhere, I am seriously considering doing the radiotherapy and then taking my chances without the femara or similar. Statistics seem to show that my chances of survival over a 15 year period are quite high and my risk of dying from something other than the cancer is double that of dying from the cancer.
I would be interested in any feedback, past or current.



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femara
Hi,
I have started to take femara... and I have to take it for 5 yrs. So far I have had fluid retention,and tingles in my arms. I am really not sure if I want to take a drug for 5 yrs..... What did you decide?
Femera
Hi Ally,
Well, after taking femera for a week I had a rash on my arms and legs, and a terrible itch in my groin and I generally felt terrible so I stopped taking it. I have now finished my radiotherapy treatment and am due to see my oncologist next week. I have spent some time reading about the side effects of these drugs and have discussed this with my husband at some length and decided that I will not take femera again. I may try another option if the oncologist suggests it but if I still get bad side effects I will stop that as well. I cannot see any reason to take a medication that can decrease my quality of life with only, according to the statistics, a small reduction in the risk of the cancer returning. Regardless of my decision, you need to discuss this with your partner, family, GP or other person you can confide in and come to your own decision. Find out as much as you can about the drugs and their side effects and don't be afraid to ask your GP or oncologist about the percentages that your risks are reduced based on your cancer figures. I would be interested in your eventual decision if you feel you want to let me know. I wish you well in your fight and hope that you come through this challenging ordeal.
Femara
As mentioned previously I had surgery for breast cancer Dec 2011 and was put on Femara Dec 2011 and was meant to be on it for five years - I stopped taking after 5 months due to the horrible side effects. I did my research and decided that, for me, the advantages did not outway the disadvantages, and if I keep ensuring I get regular check ups I should be ok. The side effects were so awful and were interfering with my work in breeding and training horses. I was to the stage that I could not even open a can of coke let alone break in a young horse. My joints have improved by my hands are still not good with one finger permanently disabled. I never suffered joint pain and other awful side effects before Femara. I will never take this drug again.
Femara
I am SO very pleased things are gradually getting back to normal and you would feel better with out that horrid drug. I am glad to say I AM OFF FEMARA TOO.. I am now on TAMOXIFEN and so very happy with it no side effects at all.
The reason for all this is because on one of my 6 monthly checkups it was found the cancer had returned (my operations was Sept 2010 so had been on Femara nearly 2 years. I had to have anothr operation..end of June. When I went back for check up after the operation Secialist said he had not got all of it so yet another operation enf of July (both this year 2012). He then decided to get me to have radiotherapy treatment for 5 weeks. I have just finished that last week. I feel worse than I did when I was having the treatment. I just can;t be bothered doing anything..awful feeling..but hope that passes soon.
Now that I am on a new drug I have to take that for 5 years (so lost 2 years there being on Femara) I also had an MRI recently due to the pain and pressure in my brain which I put down to Femara! I also want to pass on that make sure YOU HAVE YOUR CHECKUPS. I was talking to an 80+ year old having radiotherapy too and she told me she did not think she would have to go through this again as she had been through it 22 years ago.Good luck and I do hope things keep improving for you. I am so happy I am on the new drug as it has been prescribed since 1970 so well proven. Femara I feel has not been proven yet as it has only been on the market fo about 9 years or so.
Glenis & Horseygran
I have not been on this site for ages and have just read about your latest treatment Glenis. I hope everything will work out well for you with no more problems.
I wish you Both all the best.
femara
Morning Judi Ann..ihave not been on it for ages either Judi Ann. I got a new message this morning which is what I replied to. I had the normal hard time trying to find the new message but found yours OK...
Hope all is ok with you and thanks for your message...
Femara
Hi Glenis
I too find it a bit difficult to find the new messages, even though I've been helped before. I'm okay - still on Arimidex etc. I had to have CT scans this morning on my abdomen and pelvis so will have to wait and see my GP for the results. Have had bloating so best to check it out I guess.
Take care
femara
Yes, make sure you have that checked out..that is a must. Do hope the results find nothing.
I would like to know why the drug given to us all is chosen. You are on Arimidex, I am on Tamoxifen (no side effects for me) A friend has been on it 3 years with no side effects either...
Look after yourself now..
Femara
Hi Glenis
Blowed if I know why we're all on different medication - possibly the type of cancer or something? Had my CT scans yesterday, but they've sent the GP the results and left me with only the films which don't mean much to me. See my GP in a couple of weeks.
You take care too.
FEMARA
Hi All
Let's keep these comments coming so helpful and good to chat with people who understand.
I too, since being on Femara and after stopping, had awful pressure feeling in the head especially when I lie down and was given a scan, my children joke, thankfully they found nothing there.
I would like to know the stats of how many lives this drug is saving? Have people been on it long enough to know if it really does work?
Horseygran
Femara
I take Arimidex, but that has side affects too. Guess we have to be guided by the medical people. Good luck with it all.
femara
That is the problem with Femara in my way of thinking it has not been on the market long enough to prove anything...The cancer came back after only 2 years after I had the operation so certainly did nothing for me.
Femara
Thank goodness I found this site. Have been browsing Canadian & USA sites
My story is I was diagnosed with DCIS High Grade in 2010. Had sentinel nodes removed and put on Femara. Have been on it now 10 months. I am a 'tough nut' so to speak and never had problems with drugs. THIS one has got to me and I do not like it AT ALL. Have been told it is a severe drug. Dr. & Oncologist do not listen to side effect problems. Dr thinks I should be glad to be on it.???? Well my suggestion to her is SHE should try it and see how she feels! I have been considering going off it as I have never felt so 'down' in all my life. Headaches that last for days, joint problems, coldness. numbness and tingles in arm, joint problems AND hair loss.. It is a hard desision to make do I go off it or not?
Another question...how long has Femara been in Australia?. Looking at USA sites they are having blurred vission, joint problems. After my Bone Density test so I could go on Fermara makes me nervous. Test was good but will be having tests for sure to make sure they stay that way!!
Hi there Glenis,
I am glad you found the site!!
Im sorry to hear you are having a bad time with Femara. So far I have been taking it a month. I have had hand tingles and water retention& headaches.. I spoke to my Onc and he suggested to see how I go for another mth, then if Im not happy he will try me on Tamoxifen. mmmm at least he listens to me!! more than yours does! I would be asking to see another Onc and get another opinion .... Au has had Femara for approx 5 yrs I believe.
I hope apart from this, you are doing ok? I still have good and bad. My hair has started to grow back, but is very patchy and thin..... I had lovely thick hair....:(
Good luck to you... and please keep in touch theres so many of us out there....
Femara
Many thanks Ally for sending a reply. I appreciate it. Now there is one more very simple question..I just can't find how you put a picture on my profile. I am not a novis at such things and I just can't seem to work this one out and would be a happy person if you can help.
I do wonder if pre menopause people have different side effects to post menopause women. I am post menopause. Looking at USA forums so many had blurred vision which I would not tolerate.
I feel better this week...lousy last week. Hope the good continues.
Thanks for keeping in contact and I will be back if I have other problems..OR more questions. Thanks for advising Femara had been in Aus for 5 years. The Gov. Cancer site should be updated as the last one was in 2009 and still NO hormone treatment was mentioned!
Keep well
Glenis
tamoxifen
I live in the United States but had to give an Australian post code..but at least I got in :) My understanding of the two drugs is that Tamoxifen is for when you are pre-menopause and Femara is post-menopause, that is what two oncologist have told me. Please research this for whichever one you are in. Very important because they work differently.
Picture
Wow!! I have been back onto my profile and I cant work out how on earth to change my picture...so I cant answer your question!! I pride myself at being pretty good on these things... but this has got me!
Where are you? are you in the US?
Headaches still persist.... weight gain,...and downright 'fedupness' with all of this... I hate hate hate this thing..... Bad few days...:(
I believe my Onc said that Femara is a pharmacy name.... and Letrazole will be available soon made by other companies, so may be available under a different name..
Hope this helps in some small way? Take care of yourself
Ally
Picture
Thanks Ally..I just want to add the picture which you have done and can't find out how to do it.
I am in Australia, Victoria in fact..where are you?
so you have the dreaded heaches as well. Mine last on and off for 2 weeks. I HATE FEMARA like you do too that is why it is great to find this forum. We all agree..well most. I am feeling great this week not so last week. Have yu had dizziness with the headaches like I do. Been told when getting out of bed when dizzy to sit on the edge of the bed and turn head to the left...dizzy goes. Then I stand up..
Take care
Glenis
picture
Glenis!!! I think I found how to do it..... Click on your Profile.... go to edit.... and page down... fill in whatever details you want to share.... and theres a place to upload a picture.... browse and add I hope that helps x
Femara
Many thanks Ally I will try it.SORRY for delay. I tried to get in yesterday without any luck..Yipee got in now. Some sites make it harder than others!
Great news..I got a document from my Naturopath..which ties in the lack of Iodine with Breast Cancer and Prostrate cancer...wery interesting indeed. I have thyroid problems and on Thyroxine as well...goodbye hair!!! Double whamie!??
Must fo an investiget getting a pixture in!
Thanks Ally X
Femara
Ally..I did what you said and it worked BUT not showing on my profile..STUFF it will not bother, I find this Forum so very hard to work out and can not understand how to get it. Makes me angry. SO if you have posted a reply you will know I am battling here to answer you...just to be able to in and answer you. I was told on e-mail I had a message but do youthink I can find it....NO...so sorry if I have not found any of yoru answers. to your notes..I am VERY sorry....
Take care...
Glenis
Glenis.... I find this site a little frustrating too. are you a face book user? If you are why not add me? and at least we can chat more freely?Ally Gill Western Australia..... Looking for ward to finding you xx
Femara
Hi Ally,
Format is back to normal thanks goodness.
I am in Facebook Glenis McDougall, Melbourne Victoria Australia. I can't find you at all Ally as there are so many. My picture is not the same as this..I barrack for Geelong re the footy so have this BIG cats face with my dog beside it. Not many at all with my name on FB. You might have more luck than I do Ally. hav a ribbon on it too which is for abuse to animals...Good luck
face book
I cant find you at all on there!! in fact not one glenis mcdougall....??
My current pic is of my husband and our little grand daughter and she has a pink rain coat on...
Today I feel like **** . Bone ache like you wouldnt believe........ Im back in perth next monday... I have to have the bone density scan/ herceptin infusion and heart scan....
Huff Im over it!! x
Hi Glenis
I had trouble putting a profile picture on until I scrolled all the way down the page and pressed "save"-bingo!picture came up.Yes,Femara is pretty awful.I tried it 8 years ago and couldn't stand it after a month.I was 47 then and nothing agreed with me so just took flaxseed tabs.After about 5yrs I stopped flaxseed and 2yrs later my cancer came back in the same spot would you believe.Anyway,had to have mastectomy,chemo last year and am now on tamoxifen.It seems to be agreeing with me.
Tonya xx
Wow Tonya.... thats pretty awful. I am settling into the femara now.... Been on it for 2 mth, apart from the dizzy spells Im not too bad, .
Flaxseed? I havent heard of that being helpful. I know you can get bread with it in there already would that be any benefit if taken that way?
Oh this thing is so awful, I feel like I am just waiting for the next stage to happen.... sitting on a time bomb... I hate it!
Ally
Femara
Thank goodness I got in this do mornrng and thanks so much Tonya for your kind message.
Yes, I thought after I don't think I saved it so will try again and hope for the best.
Gee you really had a tough time Tanya and thanks for sharing. Yes, I know of Flaxseed and use the oil even for my dog.
I am a great believer in natural things rather than drugs and I have just got a list of things to take from my Naturopath but I will not go off Femara..you have taught me that...while taking them. She also e-mailed me
a 17 page document. ...Amazing the connection between thyroid, breast cancer and prostrate cancer.
Having so much trouble typing this will go out and come in again. Hope this makes sense!! Glenis xx
Hi Ally
Yes,I know how you feel - ticking time bomb.Alot of the time I can forget about it but whenever talk of future plans comes up I don't feel confident to make them. Going by my first bout of breast,it took me about 2yrs to mentally"get over it". I'm not sure what you had or when but give yourself time.I was taking flaxseed tabs after doing alot of research.It is supposed to reduce tumour growth.However,there is a question mark about taking it with tamoxifen so I have stopped.The oncologists don't seem to know about natural products nor do they want to.I try to keep an open mind.I find it interesting that my cancer returned after 7yrs.At the 6yr mammo it was all clear and I stopped flaxseed for some reason.Within 1 year it grew back to 3cms.I'm also a believer in high stress levels depleting your immune system and leaving you more vulnerable to cancer cells growing.Every woman I've talked to that has breast cancer can report being highly stressed about 18mths before their diagnosis.Interesting ay?
Tonya xx
Hi Tonya
Just wanted to agree with you Tonya on stress levels..does do damage. Very interesting indeed..I did have some stress before my diagnoses. Yes, Drs and Oncologists do not want to know about side effects OR natural products. I did wonder what Tamoxifen was like as in side effects.
I have been on Femara going on 10 months now and I had 'rolling side effects'..each one would last about 2 weeks and another one would pop up. I got very teary then get very angry just lately.. so could not talk to Drs without bursting into tears. Last week I felt good as in this week no headaches, tingles etc etc I am taking Schuessler Salts..all natural and is a nerve nutrient..so hope they are the reason I feel better. My friend swars by them and uses a variety of them. By the way I have D.C.I.S cancer High Grade. My sister had her breast removed about 15 years ago and has never had a problem since. I thought mine was the lowest on the list of breast cancer..
My picture worked BUT I cheated I do not have a recent one that one is over 20 years old!!! I had hair then and I don't have much now thanks t Femara and Thyroxine for the thyroid... I should fill in more details for my profile I suppose...
Hi Glenis
Good to see that you figured it out and got your pic up.Doesn't matter if it's abit dated.You sure had a lovely head of blonde hair! I used to have straight,blonde shoulder length hair that I really liked and now it's dark,short and curly- still can't get used to it.It's good to know that your sister is ok after 15yrs -gives us all hope to hear good news stories.Sounds like you've had a hard time with Femara- surely there is another drug you can try.I've been reading alot about vit.d deficiency and possible cancer link.I've also read about the connection between breast cancer and thyroid problems.It really all boils down to your immune system failing to detect a cancer cell and then it grows.
Well I expect to read more from you now that you've figured out blogland!
Tonya
Hello Tonya
Re my hair..don't think I have read anyone having thining of hair like I have. Of course having thyroid problems makes it worse. I am so glad you are into natural products too. The docment I am talking about that I have from my naturopath is called IODINE..Bring back the Universal Nutrient Medicine. Gosh it points out the importance of Iodine in the body. I have 17 pages of the evidence. My Dr would not even hear of changing Femara and will not listen to side effects! I do not see the Oncologist until Nov. and that is why I am getting as much information as possible to 'throw' at him! Did you ever get a report from your Dr on what was done when they operated? Dr. gets a copy but I didn't. I rang up and requested a report so I know what was done. If better arrive today otherwise I will be ringing again...
I was afraid I was missing messages as they kept coming up in my e-mail in box. I do hope I have it right now..
Take care
Glenis
femara
I'm new at this, so hope it works. I had lumpectomy and nine lymph nodes out in March 2010. The nodes were all clear. I had radio therapy and put on Femara. I have now been on it for over a year. I had to finish work due to the side effects. Lethargy, hot flushes, painfull joints (wrists, thumbs, knees), stabbing head aches, fluid retention. I'm 61 now, and don't know if I want to feel like this for another four years, especially if it continues to get worse with time.
Cherry.
Femara/Letrozole
Everyone's reports of the impact this drug is having on them is over-powering. I haven't started taking it as I must go through the radiotherapy first. The more I think about weighing up my doctor's diagnosis of a 2% increase of the cancer returning in 5 - 10 years against 5 years of this drug, is making me lean towards not taking it. I want to know what affect the aromatase inhibitors and Tamoxifen will have on me in 20 years time when I'll only be 77. That's still a young age to me, but there are no clinical trials that extend out that far. Scary business. Thank you for the information you've provided so far. Deirdre
Femara/Letrozole
Hello Deirdre,
Strange you and Cherry have posted the same sort of thing today about not going on Femara.. You got more information from your Drs than I did..I did not get anything and will not comment on the side effects. From the information you all got from your Drs I am making a list to ask my Prof. when I see him in November. So true in what you said about no long term trials. It was on the news recently that a wonderful woman is putting her efforts into making a Smart Pill..for all the women taking these nasty drugs like Femara. The little I know about it is that it will only attack the bad cells and not harm anything else. Like all this sort of things it will probably take years before it is on the market..
It is such a hard decision to make and I have been on Femara for 12 months this month
Glenis
Femara
After 6 yrs of taking Arimidex and having severe joint pain, an oncologist I went to yesterday for a 2nd opinion, has put me on Femara. I started it this morning - don't know whether I'm imagining things already, but I've been sweating like anything! I would hate the thought of thinning hair and other things. The Oncologist has suggested bone medication via infusion. I wonder if anyone has had this treatment>
Femara
I have been on Femara for 2mths. The side affects I have had are bad headaches lasting up to 2 weeks and really bad joint pain and my hair is thining. I was told Femera was the better drug to stop the cancer returning. I am going to stay on it and see how I go, if it helps prevent the cancer from returning. I do not want to take any chances with it returning, by not taking it. Was on Tamoxifen before and found that worse. Big hugs Deb.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Femara
Hi Deb,
You have the same headaches I had which last approx. 2 1/2 weeks AND on the left side where i have never had headaches before. I am now going to the Dr this morning a I have a bone problem with right arm..don't thinl it could be results of taking Femara though but???
You will be happy to know I have been on it 13 months and the side effects have not come back for a quite a few m onths. So there is hope!!!!?? I noticed they hit all at once when I started it then one at a time. By the way my emotions are very up and down too..
All the best
G
Femara
Hi Glenis
Two days on Femara and I couldn't sleep last night due to being hot, same all day yesterday. I wouldn't have thought these side-effects would happen this quickly. It is encouraging to hear after13 months the side-effects have not come back. There's hope for me too! My emotions are a bit like yours as well.
Femara
Hi Judi,
Yes, it does bring memopause symtons back and I did not get the hot flushes just the rudy flush on the face. I just hpe they wear off in a few months like they did me...I would be yelling one minute, crying the next, and ok soon after. I would prefer having the treaments which are not nice but they are over in month or so but we have 4 years of this drug...YUK
Femara
Hi Glenis
We don't need menopause symptoms again - but then we don't need the alternative - cancer - either!! Like you, I would prefer to have the treatment. I've already been on Arimidex for 6yrs and now on Femara, probably for another few years (so long as there's no other serious side-effects). I believe the reason I have to take medication longer (10yrs) is because I had 12 lymph nodes removed, of which 3 were malignant. So far, so good. Thanks for your response - much appreciated. Take care of You. Judi
Femara
Hi Glenis
Third day on Femara and very difficult to stay asleep at night. I'm wondering whether you had or have this problem? I know I have to give it time, but it's hard not getting enough sleep for sure, not to mention sweating! Just hope these problems will be over before too much longer. I know it's early days, but I don't normally have this problem not being able to stay asleep.
Femara
Gosh Judi you are getting problems early.Early on I got numbness and pins & neddles and a cold hand in early days. Have you asked your Dr to go back to what you were on before? Then again it is not wise to stay on one medication for too long..have I got that right?
Does your Dr believe in side effects? Mine do not which is so very cruel them not talking things through.
Hope you get some sleep and things do improve...
G
Femara
Hi Glenis
Thanks very much for your response. It's so good being able to talk to another on the same medication. I wondered whether I was imagining things sweating and not being able to sleep after only three days on Femara, but somehow I don't think so. My surgeon wanted me on Arimidex for 10yrs and it was causing me severe joint pain, so my GP referred me to the Oncologist I saw last week for the first time for a 2nd opinion and he's put me on Femara. I'm seeing my GP this coming week, so may be able to mention these things to her. I had told my surgeon about the severe pain on Arimidex and though he suggested going off it for 6-8 wks just to see, he still wanted me to continue with it after that - despite the pain. I don't think the Drs consider the side-effects - you're right.
I hope things improve too. I see the Onc again in 4wks time. Thanks again for your response. It's much appreciated, believe me.
Fenara
Hello Debbie
Thanks for your response. I don't think any of these drugs (Femara, Arimidex, Aromasin) make much difference to the side-effects. I think if I was to get bad headaches and thinning hair, I would prefer to go back onto Arimidex - which gave me severe joint pain. You're so right in saying it's best to be on one of them to prevent the cancer returning.
Big hugs to you too. xx
FEMARA
Femara
Bless your heart Glenis. I did find your reply, thanks so much. You're right about not knowing where to turn when the medical people don't want to listen about side-effects. I guess they figure we're better to have side-effects rather than the alternative! I too am on and off the PC most days. Pleased to hear you have a list of questions for your surgeon on 9th Nov. We'll chat before then, but I wish you good luck for sure. Thanks again for sharing with me. We'll both hang in.
FEMARA
Femara etc
Good luck at the Drs Glenis. Will be interesting to know what was found following the x-ray on your arm. If it is arthritis or similar, then I also think it could be Femara because these medications cause this sort of thing. Just hope the Dr will listen to you. Good luck there. Shame nobody talked about the meds on 3AW. I'm still sweating a lot, including at night, but trying to be patient until I've been on Femara a big longer. Take care and let me know how you go at the Drs.
femara
Hi Girls, I'm still not confident in this type of discussion, but really good to hear all your opinions. I saw the hospital to see if I could stop Femara and try another. I could sort of put up with the hand/wrist pain, stabbing headaches, Hot flushes (especially the night ones, wet pillow and sheets). Taking Panadol Osteo helped marginally. The Surgeon didn't bother attending, a had a beginner doctor who knew very little, but called the breast nurse in so he to check my breasts (man-handle, more like it). At least the Breast nurse knew what I was talking about. She saw the state of my knee when I tried to walk. She suggested I stop Femara for a month, then return to outpatients again, and maybe start on Arimadex. I too question the need to take these drugs and hope I get to see a more experienced doc next time. My GP is lovely and trys to help but she believes the cancer experts should make decision. Thanks again ladies. Best of luck to you all. Cherry.
Femara
Hi Cherry
How are you going since stopping the Femara on a trial basis? I am new to taking it, after taking Arimidex for 6yrs. So far joints no worse, but lots of sweating which at times can be embarrassing. Are you going to go back on Femara or try another medication? Good luck.